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In the chat this had popped up:

Are questions related to DEFCAD's Liberator permitted here?

After asking on the main Meta, I was asked to ask here instead. How shall we deal with the topic of 3D printed guns?

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  • $\begingroup$ I think it's in the on-topic page, I vaguely remember seeing it today. Says off-topic (I think). Actually it should probably be moved it to the off-topic section at the bottom. $\endgroup$ – Greenonline Mod Jan 17 at 19:10
  • $\begingroup$ @Greenonline the "Legal issues" category lists "guns" as on topic, $\endgroup$ – Trish Jan 17 at 19:14
  • $\begingroup$ Oh does it? Oh dear... Hmmm, not sure then, $\endgroup$ – Greenonline Mod Jan 17 at 19:15
  • $\begingroup$ @Greenonline I read that as questions about the legality are on topic (I think they are). It is not a carte balance about how to print a barrel or something $\endgroup$ – Trish Jan 17 at 19:16
  • $\begingroup$ Ah, right. Yes, so a legal question is OK, but how to print is not? So that (partially) solves my question in the comment on your answer then. $\endgroup$ – Greenonline Mod Jan 17 at 19:18
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I think we should not allow asking about manufacturing 3D-printed fireams because it opens liability under NY law: The servers of SE are in NYC as is the company's incorporation. This means each user avails themselves to NY law under diversity jurisdiction - but the company is probably fine with ToS #9... New York banned untraceable 3D printed weapons and knowingly aiding in the manufacture of untraceable guns. Any 3D printed gun could be made untraceable by omitting one step in the manufacture that does have no structural impact - the addition of metal. So as a result any knowing assistance could be seen as causing the manufacture of an untraceable gun under New York Penal Code section 265.50 (Caps original, Emphasis mine):

§ 265.50 CRIMINAL MANUFACTURE, SALE, OR TRANSPORT OF AN UNDETECTABLE FIREARM.

A PERSON IS GUILTY OF CRIMINAL MANUFACTURE, SALE, OR TRANSPORT OF AN UNDETECTABLE FIREARM WHEN HE OR SHE KNOWINGLY MANUFACTURES, CAUSES TO BE MANUFACTURED, SELLS, EXCHANGES, GIVES, DISPOSES OF, TRANSPORTS, SHIPS, OR POSSESSES WITH THE INTENT TO SELL:

  1. ANY FIREARM, RIFLE, OR SHOTGUN THAT, AFTER REMOVAL OF GRIPS, STOCKS AND MAGAZINES, IS UNDETECTABLE; OR

  2. ANY MAJOR COMPONENT OF A FIREARM, RIFLE, OR SHOTGUN WHICH IS UNDETECTABLE.

CRIMINAL MANUFACTURE, SALE, OR TRANSPORT OF AN UNDETECTABLE FIREARM IS A CLASS D FELONY.

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  • $\begingroup$ "This means we avail ourselves to NY law" Who's "we"? If you mean the company, then you should probably have kept the Meta.SE question. Some users will disagree with you, but that should be fine. You might not get a definitive answer from Stack Exchange Inc. or not find a policy about this as others have suggested there, but that should be fine too. If you meant something else, you should probably clarify. $\endgroup$ – user26358 Jan 17 at 18:51
  • $\begingroup$ @ICloneable anyone who engages with such a question by answering. WE as in the community. $\endgroup$ – Trish Jan 17 at 18:52
  • $\begingroup$ Well, in that case, the fact that the servers are in NYC is not really relevant. The community members are not employees in the company and I would imagine that most of them are not residents in NYC. $\endgroup$ – user26358 Jan 17 at 18:55
  • $\begingroup$ @ICloneable but interact with NY state in doing their "business", their actions of answering actions is happening (for the law) in NY. $\endgroup$ – Trish Jan 17 at 18:56
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    $\begingroup$ To be honest, I think the mods would delete, not just close, any firearms questions that come up. Similar to if someone posted on Arduino "How can I make a bomb"? :-) However, what about 3D printed crossbows, or a spear, or club? Umm, this is getting murky now... IANAL, so I have no idea what we are meant to do actually. $\endgroup$ – Greenonline Mod Jan 17 at 19:12

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